I wrote a NSFW scene of my OCs (cousins), separate from the SFW stuff. (image of my Sims version of them xD). This is a really simple scene cause I’m still learning how to write this type of scene…
content warning: The written piece contains sexual content between teen characters. If you have a problem with underage sexual content, do not read.
Link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/52088155
This post is not for any anti. It’s for those who may be capable of growth and sensitivity, who are curious to listen to the side that is often silenced in the discourse around this topic: that is, the topic of writing or shipping consensual incest.
So far, I’ve had a few experiences in which I had mentioned to a friend outside the shipping community that this was a topic I intend to explore in my own writing. I usually chose very carefully who to open up to and generally had neutral reactions. But the two that kind of bothered me, even if they weren’t delivered in a harsh way, was the immediate association that was made with Cersei and Jaime from Game of Thrones.
So I wanted to write this post to express my feelings about this reference which actually makes no sense to me at all, coming from the perspective I come from.
Continue reading “Please Stop Assuming That All Writers of Incest Want to Write Jaime & Cersei.”
The Color Wheel – Colin/JR (Flaws And All)
I always wondered why there was no fanvid for the siblings in the film The Color Wheel. I guess it’s because it’s not as well-known as other films/shows. I also always wanted to make a vid with the song “Flaws and All” by Beyoncé. So, with the idea of a consanguinamory awareness art campaign, it occurred to me I can do this! (I decided to upload this one to a new YouTube channel instead of my main channel)
I think the song fits them SO much because it is about them learning to love each other despite what they each may have considered to be “flaws” in the other. Personally, I think the bro is more flawed than the sis, but since this song is sung by a female, I edited it this way from her POV mostly, but actually it’s mutual and it’s about both of their feelings about the other.
The way this fits into the “Consanguinamory plotline” is this: There are all these ugly myths about consensual incest in real life and whenever people come even the tiniest bit close to tolerating it, they have unrealistic expectations about perfection… but the reality is that people have flaws, relationships have flaws — including incestuous ones. That does NOT mean that these relationships cannot work. Consenting incestuous pairings can STILL work despite having flaws like any other type of relationship. e.g., The bro and sis in the story learn to love each other unconditionally…
That’s what it means to love: to accept flaws and all. And we as a society should be aware of that when thinking about whether or not a related pairing is “valid”. And consanguinamorous pairs should not have to try and aspire to unrealistic ideals of perfection in order to be accepted or to stay together. This film and this song are the very essence of Unconditional Love, a theme I am drawn to again and again and the reason I am interested in this topic intellectually.
This video was also inspired by the write-up Shipcestuous did on this film, which I thought was an amazing analysis: https://x4ashes4ashes.wordpress.com/2014/08/25/the-color-wheel/
It’s that review that made me want to watch this movie long time ago. 🙂
Any positive comments would be appreciated.
**Trigger warning. Discussing abuse**
I’ve been wanting to write just one post about this topic, but it’s hard because the topic of grooming and abuse really disturbs me. When talking about topics like consensual incest, it tends to attract all kinds of people, some of whom may have the wrong impression of what you actually support.
Continue reading “Abuse, Grooming, Open Family, Incest Abuse”
Are you one of those people who ask “WHY??” when you see someone supporting consensual adult incest? Do not ask that question unless you have the balls to deal with the actual answer. If you’re going to be an anti, at least be an informed anti. Human rights deserves more than two seconds of thought. Two seconds of thought makes for a worthless opinion, because that is what is called a knee-jerk reaction. It’s not an argument, it’s not a thoughtful opinion, it’s a reaction based on whim.
Are you someone who is curious about the facts behind a subject that is often presented in a distorted, dehumanized, dishonest way by popular media and society?
The below is a small list I sent to someone after they asked for a list of articles about consensual incest. I want to expand this list later, but for now, here are some scholarly articles and other well-written pieces and videos you can check out.
The content in these articles/resources might be challenging for some people. I still find some of it challenging on a personal/intellectual level. The important thing is to understand that personal disgust/dislike is not a legitimate reason to deny other people their rights or to pass moral judgement on their lives.
These materials go beyond cousin couples, but the topics discussed provides a big-picture sense of the issues around consanguinamory, and better illuminates where cousin couples fit into this picture, as well as how the stigmatization of other kinds of consensual adult incest affects the way cousin couples are perceived and treated in society. So even though it may seem off-topic for the usual themes of this blog, it is still connected to the themes in important ways.
Here are the materials:
1. English translated version of the German Ethics Council’s report about incest: https://www.ethikrat.org/fileadmin/Publikationen/Stellungnahmen/englisch/opinion-incest-prohibition.pdf
2. Royal Commission report recommending that incest be legalized (this is an old report but very relevant to the topic). There are 4 or 5 PDF files, one for each part of the report. Once the files are on your computer you can open each one and search for the topic. (Part one has the recommendation in brief. The final part has more detailed argument and conclusion): https://apo.org.au/node/34438?fbclid=IwAR21eYklk6bnooiHL_xuXPgH0OOoyEQyJNgTVEUfhF79ImOxR2byz9TFsIo
3. “The Incest Horrible: Delimiting the Lawrence v. Texas” This is one of my top favorite scholarly articles exploring legality. You can download it through the “download” button here: https://repository.law.umich.edu/mjgl/vol23/iss1/4/#.WXf2pMuhqtE.twitter
4. “Incest is Best: The Problem of a Moral Taboo” by Vera Bergelson is another brilliant one. You can download it here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3228796
5. Rudolf Mandelbaum’s Social Justice Articles: The guy who wrote these wanted to develop his arguments more and make an updated version. It’s worth reading both versions.
Original article: https://medium.com/rudolf-mandelbaum/incest-is-a-social-justice-issue-9a40f69e9ae5
Updated article: https://medium.com/rudolf-mandelbaum/incest-is-a-social-justice-issue-updated-version-4edbee454413
Someone in the shipping community (corny-tyrannosaurus) is starting an art campaign to spread awareness about consanguinamory. Consanguinamory refers to Consensual romantic and/or sexual relationships between ADULT relatives. This is in no way or form connected to abusive incest.
Also, this is totally separate from the Shipcest artist list I mentioned earlier in a post, as it’s different in its purpose. This new art campaign is specifically seeking out people who support or are tolerant of consanguinamory in real life. Basically, allies of consanguinamory. The art itself will be focusing on fictional incest ships. Art includes drawings, fanvideos, fanfiction, etc.
You don’t have to be involved in consanguinamory yourself to participate. But if you are, that’s fine too. If you are a content creator and you want to join in creating art specifically to spread awareness of consanguinamory, please follow the link to see the details.
Sorry, the previous link was broken due to a name change. Here is an updated link. If you’re interested, contact Corny Tyrannosaurus on his Tumblr page:
UPDATE: He had to make a new account. His new account is here: https://cornytyrannosaurus.tumblr.com/
The first step is to simply gather people who think they might be interested in participating. We have already started Phase 2 (where people plan together), but there are still open spaces for several more people to join. Concerns about anonymity and privacy have already been addressed (people can choose to be anonymous for this) but you can ask about it again in the chat group.
So, if anyone out there is a content creator and wants to participate, please see the above link for details and please share this with others you think might be interested.
If you want to support writers that explore consanguinamory (consensual incest) in fiction, please read this. No one should have to deal with hate for exercising their freedom of speech/creative freedom.
This is a message from an author of a book with consanguinamory themes. The novel she wrote is about romance between two half-siblings. The book is called “Forbidden: Our Secret Love: The Larson Family Saga, Book 2.” This message was sent to the blogger FullMarriageEquality (Keith). I am just sharing it here, with permission from FullMarriageEquality:
Dear Keith,
It’s been nearly a year since our last email communication, but I continue to follow your Full Marriage Equality blog. As you may recall, I published Forbidden: Our Secret Love–a beautiful story of love between two adult half-siblings–twenty months ago.
Since I published Forbidden I’ve been stunned by the pervasiveness of incestaphobia in our society. I cannot comprehend what creates so much disgust, hatred and fear over a loving relationship between two consenting adults! Forbidden is continually attacked by reviewers on Amazon and Goodreads despite a very clear warning in the blurb about the subject matter. On May 14th, a reviewer wrote, “This author is sick. Brother sister sexual relations. It doesn’t get much worse than this. I think this is autobiographical. It was pro-incest propaganda.” One star.
This hurts. Forbidden is a story that came from my heart, because I truly believe that love takes many forms, and none are worthy of condemnation. Beyond my personal feelings, these negative reviews are hurting my reputation as an author. Readers who love my other books are so disgusted by the incest in Forbidden that they’ll probably never read another book written by me. As a professional writer, I’m tempted to unpublish the book for this reason. It would break my heart to give up and give in to hate, because I believe in what you and others in the community are doing.
I don’t know if you’ve read Forbidden, but if so, I would deeply appreciate some input from you and/or other consangs. Above all, is the book an accurate portrayal of a consanguinous relationship? Because if it isn’t, I either need to make some changes or delete it altogether. I would welcome comments from the consang community at my author’s email address:
quinnlarsonauthor@outlook.com.
Thanks for all you are doing, and for taking the time to read this lengthy email.
I really need input from folks other than incestaphobes before I decide what to do about this beautiful book that does not deserve all the negativity it’s receiving.
I’ve changed the Kindle price to .99 and attached a link to Amazon. Thanks. Link: https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Secret-Love-Larson-Family-ebook/dp/B07HRVB61Y
Sincerely,
Elise Quinn Larson
[This is an old post from Tumblr, first posted in July 2014. This was actually my very first blog post and the reason behind starting this blog.]
When it comes to subjects or themes that have social stigma attached to them, it is rare to see them explored in fiction with neutrality. Have you ever watched a film or tv show in which love between cousins is referred to as something distasteful? Something that only unsophisticated, backwards people would engage in?
Consanguinamory themes in fiction:
I’ll give a few examples… In the movie Sweet Home Alabama (which I love to the most part, except for this one bit), there was a fleeting moment of misunderstanding where the main character’s new boyfriend thought that she had once been married to her cousin. Of course, this was a misunderstanding, but his reaction of shock implied that this possibility alone was worse than the fact that she had not told him she had been married before. Then there’s the sitcom, Big Bang Theory (I also enjoy this show, but I hate this one reference), where the character Howard mentions that he had slept with his cousin once. His friends are disturbed by this fact, as well as his girlfriend Bernadette. It’s used as a point of ridicule by everyone who hears of it throughout the show, since it’s mentioned more than once. Howard himself says it like it’s something he half regrets, purely for it’s being a socially unacceptable act rather than any other reason. I am sure there are lots of other examples, though I can’t remember right now off the top of my head. But I know that (in modern fiction or media at least) this topic is rarely mentioned in a neutral tone or with any kind of true empathy.
LGBTQ themes in fiction:
There are also many instances in other films, books, or shows where there are ‘gay’ moments, used mostly to tease the audience, because we all know perfectly well that the characters having these moments are straight in the context of the story. I’ve seen this in anime alot, where we are given blatantly obvious fan service scenes where two girls are in scantily dressed poses together, lingering at the edges of a potential sexual encounter between the two – feeding just enough to the imagination without committing to anything. These kinds of scenes must be what inspires Yuri mangas focusing on exploring the ‘possibilities’ further. I love Yaoi and some Yuri, when done tastefully, but it leaves me feeling empty when I see pairings between characters that don’t even have any chemistry on the actual show. It’s as if the creators are saying, ‘don’t worry, guys. this is not real. you know it, we know it. so just enjoy this ‘alternative’, non-cannon diversion. it can never be anything more.’ And then there are shows in which two same sex characters do have chemistry with each other, but it is never made clear whether or not they are actually gay.
… Reflection:
Now, I am not saying that these kinds of representations are completely useless. They can serve a purpose within the story itself – to show the prejudices of the society the characters inhabit, or to imply that even straight people are capable of having ‘gay’ moments but still be straight at the end of the day… And some characters will be really twisted and abhorrent while having these types of relationships. That’s ok. These representations can be valid in and of themselves, objectively speaking. Where it becomes an issue, I think, is when they become the most prominent and frequently portrayed versions of these relations for all to see.
This pattern projects a very negative view of LGBTQ and consanguineous relationships, making them seem transient, wrong, or downright non-existent. In the long-run, they can end up hurting minorities in real life. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, some artists seem to mold their work to shame marginalized people into giving up what is right for them, be it a lifestyle or a partner. It is no less than bullying on a large scale. The world gets together and bullies those who are different from them, making it hard for those minorities to seek refuge from their realities even in the worlds of fiction.
Fiction feeds into people’s existing prejudices and people’s existing prejudices inevitably shape fiction. This has been one destructive cycle (among many others) that is largely responsible for the stigmas minorities face day to day. One way I see that people have been breaking this cycle is by creating art that offers an alternate view/treatment of these subjects – stories, poetry, paintings, songs, films, characters – that delve deeper into the meanings of these ‘unconventional’ actions and thoughts, helping to present them in a more balance way, educating people on the realities, rather than just using the topics to reinforce misconceptions and endorse myths.
This is one way we can fight back. It will be difficult to convince people at first, but if enough of us touch upon these topics with sincerity and empathy through art, then we have a chance at discrediting the myths over time.
Coming from people who have experienced these stigmas first hand, the Fictions we create have a better chance of being authentic, and therefore powerful enough to overturn the less than mediocre, half-hearted, uninformed explorations of these subjects that currently flood the mainstream.
What are some films/books/shows in which you feel these topics have not been treated honestly or with dignity? What are some that have done the opposite?
-Here is a short LIST OF FILMS that I personally feel handles some of these topics well.
If anyone is wondering, there is a list of artists that are open to drawing consensual incest (OCs or fan art of incestuous ships in fiction). There are categories for different styles of art (e.g. cartoon style, anime style, realistic style), sfw and nsfw.
If you’d like to know about this list, message me on Tumblr: http://rainbowamory.tumblr.com/
[Update: Sorry, didn’t realize the original link was broken. You can message me on Tumblr in the above link]
You’ll find the list in the Commissions section. If you or someone you know is an artist that is open to taking these kinds of commissions, feel free to comment here with a link to your art page (or comment in the discord channel) if you’d like to be put on the list ^_^
I know I said it isn’t worth writing about, but actually, it is. I just don’t think one post or two is enough to cover the ridiculousness in full. This is a follow-up post to the post I wrote about hypocrisy in the queer community with regards to consensual incest. See that post here.
Antis don’t always come from the queer community, but the anti that I encountered did. I am writing this post because I think this kind of incident is worth recording and analyzing a bit. It might be useful to someone who has been bullied for liking something different in fandom or for having a different opinion on a controversial topic.
So I am going to share.
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