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Tumblr deleting blogs (and about Shipcestuous)

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[post originally made on Tumblr]

Hey people (if you are still here).

So if you haven’t already heard, Tumblr has been deleting blogs with NSFW type of content, even if the blog had fewer followers or if it contained mostly text and non-porn material. Their real target seems to have been abuse material involving minors, but unfortunately this has affected some blogs on consensual incest or incest shipping, which in no way or form is connected to abuse.

I have a lot of feelings about this, and would like to say “I’m done with Tumblr.” And actually, that is how I feel, because Shipcestuous’ blog was one of those deleted. If you’ve followed her blog, you’d know it was one of the biggest shipcest blogs, and possibly one of the few multi-fandom ones. There was always such great discussion on there, and I’ve never seen a community more loving and genuine than the one she built there.

If you wants to keep in contact with Shipcestuous, see her WordPress blog and maybe leave a comment:

https://shipcestuous2.wordpress.com/

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I wrote in to Tumblr about this, but we will all have to wait and see what happens. I don’t feel comfortable there anymore if she is gone because it means no shipper blog is secure. The only reason I even bothered with Tumblr at all was because of her community…it represented true Unconditional Love, intelligent conversations and love of fiction all in one.

If your blog contains shipcest content, check out these steps to download your material from your tumblr (you have to refresh the page after some minutes of it saying “processing”. Then the “download” button will be there. Give it time if you have a lot of material.):

https://tumblr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005118894-Export-your-blog

(It’s also possible to move your blog stuff to WordPress, so you can do it that way too – just look it up)

Thanks

…UPDATE…

UPDATE: Since I wrote this post, there has been a Major Update, but it is not mine to announce. If you want to know, I think it’s mentioned on Shipcestuous’s WordPress somewhere in the comments in the link below:

For General Incest Shipping Comments

I’m always happy when I see your blog pop up on my dashboard. I want to thank you. You have made this such a welcoming place for shippers, where all over the rest of the internet and in our culture, we would be looked down on for the things we like, this is a safe place. It just always reminds me im not alone. I think ppl see the idea of incest as something very dirty even in fiction, but I feel like a lot of us are really just romantics, who believe in love equally. But thank you again ♡

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temporarychange1:

Thank you so much, Anon! I’ve been plugging away hard at asks the past couple of days and this was a very rewarding message for me to receive. I really appreciate you taking the time to say this.

I hate so much that we can’t come online and talk freely about the ships we love without having to be afraid of being judged or even attacked. We deserve better!

And I think you’ve struck on a really important point: a lot of us – maybe even most of us around here – are really just romantics. The haters don’t get it.

That last part resonates strongly. Love is Love. [The above is a reblog of a post from Shipcestuous’s Tumblr. The username temporarychange1 was Shipcestuous before the blog was deleted.]

You’d be just the person to manage to start a movement to legalize incest and end the taboo. Your understanding is incredible and your blog is amazing. Love is love and you understand and respect it.

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temporarychange1:

Oh, Anon, I can’t thank you enough! You are so kind to say these things. I’m so flattered!!!

I am a poor example of an activist but I do hope my attitude will be infectious.

You know, when I first started this blog even I had something in my sidebar about “It’s just fiction so it’s OK”, and I only had that there because I was worried about haters, but I reached a point where I was confident enough to remove that and just freely say that I absolutely support decriminalization of consensual incest. The laws might have been well-meaning when they were created but they are not right. And I’m really not afraid to say that now because I know that none of the arguments against decriminalization hold water. And I hope that can happen for everyone else too.

Hi! Not to bother you or anything but I’m feeling really down lately because the majority of my friends have the automatic mindset that incest is terrible and always ALWAYS nonconsensual and anyone who ships it is a bad person and complains and I just need a reminder that there are more rationalize people beyond this awful mindset the people I know have

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temporarychange1:

Anon, that is awful. I’m so sorry. That must be so hard for you.

This kind of mindset infuriates me.

incest ≠ abuse: abuse = abuse

Anyone who thinks incest is always non-consensual really needs to take a long hard look at the fact that they’re not thinking critically if they’re so sure about something and cannot even consider possible exceptions.

While there are a lot of ways in which a person can become brainwashed (for lack of a better word), it’s also really disrespectful and takes away a person’s agency to assume that they’re not consenting to something that they say they are consenting to. Like, just maybe there’s a chance they know themselves better than you know them, you know? (I’m talking about adults here, obviously.)

Obviously incest shippers are not bad people for shipping incest! Even if incest definitely was a  bad bad thing, shipping it does not make you a bad person. WE ARE NOT HURTING ANYONE.

And even through all the convoluted arguments about how someone might potentially eventually be hurt through incest shipping, the wrongdoing is not on us.

(Obviously we must do what we can to be respectful.)

fullmarriageequality and rainbowamory are two sites with a lot of great discourse about consensual incest and fighting that kind of mindset.

I’m sorry you have to deal with that, Anon!

I’m not saying you should speak up to your friends or anything – I can understand why you wouldn’t, and given the circumstances I would probably advise against it – but I do have to wonder what effect it would have if someone they respected were to disagree with them.

Hey shipcestuous, it’s very sweet of you to mention my page on your post. 🙂 I’m with you on the points you made in your response (especially the bit about thinking critically). I’d also like to add, anon, that you don’t have to have anyone’s permission or blessing to believe in what you believe. If they took a moment to get the facts and challenge their ignorance, your friends might think differently. But often times people don’t think about these things unless they’re confronted with it in a more immediate sense (like if someone in their own family or a friend they are really close gets involved in that kind of relationship). If your friends are willing, you should give them a good book or something that explores the topic of incest in an alternative way (focusing on consensual acts & relationships). It might compel them to open their mind.