Cousin Love (Useful Information and Resources)

For people who need this information – for research or personal use. Here is a list of good resources applicable to cousin-cousin relationships, queer or straight. It’s broken down into 3 main categories: Laws, Communities, and Reproduction facts. I included 2 of my own blogs at the bottom.

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Here is a map of updated

Cousin-specific laws in the US
(never assume this says all details. Laws change. You’d have to look at the government websites of your state to be sure of the updated laws.):

MAP: consanguinamory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/u-s-_laws_for_consensual_cousin_relationships_in_2017.png

Legal or illegal? –  (you have to know the laws before you act on anything because in some places it’s illegal to even engage in sexual acts, while in other places you can marry a first cousin. Don’t assume it’s legal without checking out the laws. Penalties can go up to several years of jail. In some places, sex is allowed, but marriage is illegal.

If you live in a state where it’s illegal to marry a cousin, and go to another state to marry a cousin, you could get prosecuted if you then return to the state in which it was illegal. If you start off in a legal state, marry, and THEN travel to a state where it’s illegal, you wouldn’t be prosecuted. It depends on where you reside to begin with. I believe this is how it works, but again, just to be sure, ask someone who’d know the laws in depth.):

Source of map:

http://consanguinamory.com/references/laws-on-consanguinamory/

*In Canada first cousin marriage is legal.

*For laws in other places/Europe, see this post.

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Here is a community you can join to find others to connect with and talk to about cousin love, to find out more information, or have support from those who have been through similar experiences:

Community: Cousin marriage and love community group on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/369860813120194/?ref=bookmarks

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[Warning: The comments on these pages are most likely full of ignorance. Some people are just that fact-challenged. Ignore the comments and focus on the information, because the facts are all that matters]

Reproduction 1: A reliable article on reproduction facts (again, never assume just because risks are generally low it means you’ll be fine. Exact risks VARY from couple to couple, based on family health history and the presence or absence of previous consanguineous marriages in your direct lineage. Genetic counseling and tests are really the best indication for a specific couple’s risks):

http://discovermagazine.com/2003/aug/featkiss

Reproduction 2: An educational video on reproductive risks (I haven’t seen this video yet so I’m not sure if it’s decent or what the tone is. Just compare it to other stuff like above article):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNr5FyZp9rI

Reproduction 3: A blog I wrote about the difference between single generation reproduction and multiple generation (opinion):

http://rainbowamory.tumblr.com/post/151272115919/where-to-draw-the-line-with-cousincousin

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What if you get rejected? – A blog I wrote about rejection (Approach without a sense of entitlement and you’ll  be fine):

http://rainbowamory.tumblr.com/post/150379774054/why-your-cousin-may-not-want-to-date-you

~Unconditional Love~

I know what Unconditional Love is because my lesbian girlfriend promised me that if there is a Heaven (not the Christian heaven, I don’t want to go there even if I could… but just some kind of heaven) and I finally get what I want (to be a biological guy) she would still love me. That is the only thing on the face of this earth that can make me feel loved… that promise.

I believe that what you WANT is as much a part of who you are as what you actually have.

All these transphobic hypocrites.. I’d love to see how they act if they have the ability to actually CHOOSE.. to choose their body, choose their life, choose their family, their friends, their surroundings. The problem with this dumb world is that people don’t give each other the full range of options from which to choose.. and that’s sad. Because when you live and think like that, all you’ll ever know is Conditional love. It’s nothing compared to the real thing.

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The Song that best expresses my character’s feelings

If I were to pick one song that utterly captures what my male character feels towards his cousin, it would be ‘Closer’ by Tegan and Sara. There are a bunch that remind me of them, but this one is particularly reflective of what I want to see.

So how does this song apply to my OCs? I think of it specifically from Syden’s point of view… it expresses
how he feels perfectly: the playful language, the simplicity of the
expressions… he would use this kind of language/manner of self expression. He
doesn’t care for poetics or overly flowery language, so the lyrics in this song
reflect that in my head; how Syden thinks/talks… He is capable of being eloquent, but he prefers and would more often use simplicity in speech, like the lyrics in this song. I wrote up a thing on
how the lines would apply to him:

“It’s
NOT just all Physical”
(brings to mind the kind of
thing I know Syden would say to his aunt, who might be thinking that
what he feels for her daughter is just teenage hormones gone wild… that it’s a
phase, and nothing more. That it’s all about the sex. This line is the exact
kind of thing he would say to her in defiance)

“Here
come the dreams of you and me, here come the dreams”
(Syden dreams about Cela pretty often… often times the dreams are
sexual, but not always. Sometimes they are just about being close to her, just
about having romantic sweet moments where he feels, well, feelings. Lol. After
all, it’s not just all physical/lust. He truly loves her and connects with her
emotionally. The dreams are overwhelming.)

(This line could also refer to waking dreams. Even though the future is unknown, Syden can’t help but have flashes in his head of how life would be with her by his side. He would try not to think too much about the uncertainties, but the daydreams would come anyway, and that too is overwhelming, because he doesn’t want to be vulnerable.)

“I
won’t treat you like you’re typical” 
(Syden loves Cela specifically because they
have a connection. He has the tendency to feel impatient with most other girls
and the way they try to get him without really ‘getting’ him. But Cela is not
like that. She doesn’t even have to try and he just feels so at ease around
her… they have similar interests and have been through similar life
experiences, regardless of differences in ideology. She makes an effort with him when other people don’t bother… she
is not as judgmental as other girls/other people, even though she does tease him… he knows
the difference. So, he cannot treat her like she is ‘typical’, because she is
not. She has always been special to him, even when they were kids. And now that
they’re both older, she is special in a more important way)

“So,
let’s make things physical” “All I dream of lately, is how to get you underneath me”
(As much as Syden loves
her on a deeply soul-bound way, he also feels intense sexual attraction towards
her. This part of their relationship is one they’ve embraced as much the
romantic aspects. They express their love to each other in this way too. It
makes total sense that Syden would feel both lust and love when thinking about
her…inextricably; just as lust & love are both captured in this song. Their relationship has both elements,
and for this reason, is very complete and satisfying)

“I
want you close”
 (Being cousins doesn’t guarantee
‘closeness’. He loves her not because she is his cousin, but because he
connects with her as a person, soul-to-soul, body-to-body. His definition of
‘close’ would be unique. He would want to be close to her, not because others
expect them to be, not because they are family, but because he WANTS her to be
close to him…. As two specific people, not just as prototype “cousins”. Often
in family dynamics, people are not given an option on how to feel… they are
told they simply must care about family by default. No one asks whether someone
WANTS that closeness or not. It is simply imposed, orchestrated. And sometimes it’s not even
meaningful…e.g. people just going through the motions of taking care of each
other, just because “family”. It’s like people can’t define their own
relationships—like they’re trapped inside this snow globe where they can’t tell
what’s real and what’s not. This is why it would be important to Syden to tell Cela
that he wants her close, separate from the obligatory closeness of family, with
emphasis on the words “I” and “WANT”)

I advise you to stop sharing your dreams with people who try to hold you back, even if they’re your parents. Because, if you’re the kind of person who senses there’s something out there for you beyond whatever it is you’re expected to do – if you want to be EXTRA-ordinary – you will not get there by hanging around a bunch of people who tell you you’re not extraordinary. Instead, you will probably become as ordinary as they expect you to be.

Kelly Cutrone (via onlinecounsellingcollege)

A poll for Consanguinamory Fiction Writers

This is a little poll I made for Writers of Original Incestuous Characters–not specific only to cousins, but in general. Maybe you haven’t written something yet, but intend to someday. If so, you can still take the poll.

Link to Poll: https://poll.pollcode.com/54796467

Feel free to leave comments if you want, especially if you pick that last option.

My Conversation with a Professor (on queerness and consensual incest)

I wanted to share an experience which I found to be inspiring and insightful and is on topic. For the sake of privacy, I’m not going to give details like names or titles.

I was once part of a group of queer people that were having a discussion about intersecting identities and queer history. A professor that teaches queer theory and feminism was there to lead the discussions. At one point someone in the group mentioned that certain places in the world have bans on media. Among the list of banned subjects are Incest and anything LGBTQ. This person was really upset about this because they did not see how those subjects were in any way connected…

I was upset too, but for a different reason. Although it’s not surprising to me, it still bothers me deeply that I have to censor myself even in a space where we’re supposed to be sex positive and have rational discussions about oppression.

After everyone left the room for the day, I went up to the professor and asked if I could speak to them privately.

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I began by saying that I was upset at the thing that the other person had said. I expressed that no one ever talked about this topic from a consent perspective and that when consent is involved, it is a whole other story… I acknowledged that incest is a very complex topic and that there’s a lot I still don’t know, but that I knew of people that were in consanguineous relationships (cousin couples for example). I expressed that it bothers me that this is never talked of, even when consanguineous relationships and marriages are everywhere in society (just hidden in many cases). I gave examples of the few I knew about in real life.

I was really nervous because I’m not the kind of person who is good at talking out loud about sensitive subjects…I prefer to write. And I had no idea what the professor would think of me.

I told them that I’ve been researching cousin/cousin relationships for awhile on my own for my writing, and that sometimes in queer spaces I feel like a ‘double agent’ because I can’t help but apply the things I am learning (about queer history) to the stuff I am learning about consanguineous couples – that while acknowledging there were differences, I couldn’t deny the similarities between them.

The professor was surprisingly open to what I had to say. They listened attentively to my breathless ramblings and told me that they didn’t have an issue with incest as long as it’s consensual and safe (Between adults. Or teens close in age). They said the only thing they don’t support is pretty much things that don’t involve consenting human beings or… toilet play (as an example of something that can cause health problems, is unsanitary and not safe).

They said one of the reasons people might have a strong reaction is because when the word “Incest” comes up, people automatically think of a man abusing a little kid.

The professor even went so far as to ask me if I’d like them to bring up the topic of incest (the consensual kind) with the other youth in the group. I said no, because it’s a sensitive topic for me (and I didn’t feel the others were ready to talk about it from that viewpoint). I thanked the professor so much for listening to me and left soon after, kind of shaking…. because I’m not used to talking about taboo subjects with people face-to-face. So that was scary for me, but also exhilarating.

The thing that moved me most was that the very next day (which was our last day gathering as a group) the Professor, while introducing our assignment, made note that we can use anything as research material except things like bestiality where there is NO consent, and that they are OK with anything that involves Consent. I felt like this was another reassuring comment directed to me, building on the private conversation we had the day before. The people didn’t seem to take anything by that comment (maybe they got what was meant, who knows.. lol) but I was so happy.

This incident was really special because not only was it the first time I dared to speak about it to a stranger directly, but because the Professor’s reaction showed me that there are leaders in the queer community that are intellectually consistent, people who would try to at least be neutral towards consenting incestuous couples and who won’t judge allies for their views, because they’ve already challenged their own minds and given it thought – as anyone who cares about human rights should.

This is also great for related couples because it means they DO have allies in the queer community after all, including allies who are leaders. That is pretty amazing.

[I have made the details of the professor vague on purpose to protect their identity for this post. This is still a taboo subject and I don’t want to negatively affect their career in any way.]

Montana film review

I just watched this movie today (went to see something else with a friend but missed that one so we ended up watching this instead. Wasn’t sure I’d like it at first but I really enjoyed it in the end).

Here’s a description from an article online:

Film Title: “Montana”
Description: A young woman returns to her hometown following the death of her grandfather, and begins an affair with a married teacher in the debut feature from Israeli filmmaker Limor Shmila. Powerful and intimate, she must confront secrets of her past as she tours the town of her youth. A TIFF world premiere.

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Also, WARNING: It’s got some dark themes in the background (sexual abuse) but it’s not shown onscreen and the story is not all dark & gloomy. It’s got an overall empowering feel to it.

Here are some of the reasons I liked this movie:

-It has deeper storytelling elements that make for a stronger story overall… (e.g. not all questions are answered, there is ambiguity and realism, the characters are complex, their interactions/dialogue is natural and shows character)

-The filmmaker, who was there in the theater to answer questions, mentioned that one of the things the film is about is silences, and that when she came out to her extended family, they stopped talking to her… there was a silence around her identity. She said she wanted to show them and others in that culture that there are worse things than being lesbian… that due to silences, other things go unnoticed too (like actual abuse, which also happens right within the same society)

-The filmmaker (who is also queer) said that she also wanted to make a movie/story which focused on other aspects of a life than just being about “coming out”, since so many stories out there already cover this topic.

-The filmmaker (who had also experienced abuse) wanted to make a story where the character who had been abused did not act like a victim, since she personally does not see herself as a victim either.

-It shows queerness as being just one part of someone’s life/identity. There’s more to that person.

-It’s also a representation of queerness or queer experience in a non-Western culture.

-It was just a very boldly written story that felt very authentic, and worth watching for anyone who likes stories that not only touch upon LGBT experiences, but are also well crafted and nuanced (it had some great humorous moments too :).

-Hot/cute lesbian sex scenes/kissing that were beautifully filmed