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Forum for Original cousin/cousin or sibling/sibling Pairs in Fiction!

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(Image: one of my unfinished, rough sketches of my cousin pairing. It’s not done so pls ignore the disproportion going on…)

Okay peoples,

I’ve written up the rules for the forum, and I made the categories. Now all I need are members! Please read the rules before joining and please spread the word!!

Here is a link: http://consang-fiction.forumotion.com/

We can improve it with time, including the rules, but below I will outline some of the things I hope this forum can do for those of us interested in making this community:

                                           Focus of the Forum

To bring together aspiring writers to discuss our characters and writing, specifically those pairings that would be considered “taboo” in various parts of our world: Sibling and Cousin pairings, straight or gay, GSA or non-GSA, romantic and/or sexual, Canon or very near canon. This forum is not for purely platonic relationships–as lovely as those are.

                         ___How we can make use of the Forum___

There are various ways we can make use of this forum. Here are just some possibilities:

  • We could do bi-weekly writing exercises to practice writing scenes and dialogue, to get a good sense of how our characters would act and talk.
    • We could discuss the nature of “double love” and how the familial and the romantic intertwine in a consang relationship.
    • We can discuss stigma, its origins and how the characters deal with it in their societies.
    • We can talk about our own fears or anxieties about writing/publishing fiction containing “controversial” material, how we could remain strong and dedicated despite the judgment we may face as writers of such relationships.
    • We can do research together (e.g. share links to documentaries, scholarly articles, author/actor interviews, commentary, or other material on this subject) so that our writing could be better informed by facts and existing dialogues.
    • We can help each other develop points in our fictional character & relationship arcs in a way that suits our individual visions.
    • We can provide each other with feedback on our writing styles so that we can improve the quality.
    • We can discuss fandom and ships… in connection with what we hope do with our original fiction. E.g. What are our fav ships/dynamics? What we can learn from the writers of the past? What can/should we do differently?

To read rules in full, go here: http://consang-fiction.forumotion.com/t1-rules-of-our-forum#1

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shipcestuous:

I forgot you had a Song section! would you mind if I resubmit my post?

“Outlaws – Official Audio”

I have been thinking about this song a lot. The one part of the lyrics is what I am stuck on. If this were simply a song about forbidden romance why the allusions to going to jail? This theme of breaking the law is central to the song. not only is the song titles “Outlaws” but a main part of the chorus revolves around this.

You’ll never face a judge without me
You’ll never battle the gavel alone
And if they lock us away
Then I’ll be still here
Proudly waiting to kill more time, with you

Who else could go to jail for being in a relationship? If this theme wasn’t so central to the song I wouldn’t be so insistent about my theory.

It doesn’t take much of a leap to come to this conclusion.  One could simply look at the lyrics literally and have a similar outcome. There are more songs on her album that need more interpretation to fit as well as Outlaws.

And I promised I would never let me hurt anymore
But I tore down my walls
And opened my doors
And made room for one
So, baby, I’m yours
Oh, baby, I’m yours

Much less literal lyrics but the line “I tore down my walls” could be interpreted as I used to reject the idea of being in a relationship with my brother/relative.

There are more direct songs as you have listed here before, but this one is pretty good. Like you said it fits well.

I am fully aware that my opinions on this matter skew my interpretation on things, but with this song I feel its so clear that I had to point it out to the community. People need to feel like there is a community of people who share the same views. You had a comment submitted that explained how antis are driving them out of social networks. This is very upsetting to me, no one should be scared away from a place simply to censor their opinions. Unacceptable. Normalization is happening fast and people need to know they can express themselves in safe places, and your blog is one of those safe places.

We must support each other if we want to make a difference for people hiding in the shadows. The sooner this happens the sooner songs like Outlaws will seem antiquated and backwards, like songs about homophobia seem today.

This is slightly different from the theme of my blog but still connected in the human rights sense. It intrigued me, so I’d like to share on my blog as well. Also if you think about it, it could apply to cousins as well, depending on where in the world you live (if the law would condemn you)

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Wow, that was one interesting argument. I was kind of surprised by what he said at the very end, about incest and homosexuality grossing him out, but I think he was simply expressing that it’s not his kind of thing. What’s important is that even while feeling that way, with nothing to gain from supporting this cause, he still stands up for other people’s rights. If more people tried to think this way or at least attempted to maintain a neutral stance on this subject, life would be a little bit easier for such couples. And the world would become a little bit more humane and tolerant, in general.

(Source: https://www.youtube.com/)

Hi! Not to bother you or anything but I’m feeling really down lately because the majority of my friends have the automatic mindset that incest is terrible and always ALWAYS nonconsensual and anyone who ships it is a bad person and complains and I just need a reminder that there are more rationalize people beyond this awful mindset the people I know have

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temporarychange1:

Anon, that is awful. I’m so sorry. That must be so hard for you.

This kind of mindset infuriates me.

incest ≠ abuse: abuse = abuse

Anyone who thinks incest is always non-consensual really needs to take a long hard look at the fact that they’re not thinking critically if they’re so sure about something and cannot even consider possible exceptions.

While there are a lot of ways in which a person can become brainwashed (for lack of a better word), it’s also really disrespectful and takes away a person’s agency to assume that they’re not consenting to something that they say they are consenting to. Like, just maybe there’s a chance they know themselves better than you know them, you know? (I’m talking about adults here, obviously.)

Obviously incest shippers are not bad people for shipping incest! Even if incest definitely was a  bad bad thing, shipping it does not make you a bad person. WE ARE NOT HURTING ANYONE.

And even through all the convoluted arguments about how someone might potentially eventually be hurt through incest shipping, the wrongdoing is not on us.

(Obviously we must do what we can to be respectful.)

fullmarriageequality and rainbowamory are two sites with a lot of great discourse about consensual incest and fighting that kind of mindset.

I’m sorry you have to deal with that, Anon!

I’m not saying you should speak up to your friends or anything – I can understand why you wouldn’t, and given the circumstances I would probably advise against it – but I do have to wonder what effect it would have if someone they respected were to disagree with them.

Hey shipcestuous, it’s very sweet of you to mention my page on your post. 🙂 I’m with you on the points you made in your response (especially the bit about thinking critically). I’d also like to add, anon, that you don’t have to have anyone’s permission or blessing to believe in what you believe. If they took a moment to get the facts and challenge their ignorance, your friends might think differently. But often times people don’t think about these things unless they’re confronted with it in a more immediate sense (like if someone in their own family or a friend they are really close gets involved in that kind of relationship). If your friends are willing, you should give them a good book or something that explores the topic of incest in an alternative way (focusing on consensual acts & relationships). It might compel them to open their mind.

trying to this again. Okay, i came on your blog to tell you that queer is a slur that queer people like myself are reclaiming and if you used it, and are not queer, you suck. i also wanted to let you know that comparing the struggle of queer people and the struggle for queer representation to your need to see a very abnormal fetish represented in media is probably both homophobic and transphobic. queer people deserve representation. incest is sexual fucking assault, people survive that shit. (c)

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samdeangirl84:

Okay, first of all, I am indeed queer. I prefer the term because it is more inclusive than gay or lesbian. I am in no way phobic of any queer identity. Secondly, I am an actual survivor of non-consensual incest but the fact is that I am a survivor of abuse and the incest part was incidental. Just because some incest is abuse does not mean that all of it is.Many people say the same things about non-straight people that you are saying about people who are involved in consensual incest. Finally, this is MY blog and I will post whatever I want on it. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, sweetheart.

Hey samdeangirl84, I just wanted to throw in my support as well. 🙂 You are an even better person for having come out of your negative experience and not let it colour your view of other people’s (very different) experiences with incest. It seems a lot of the people that use anti-incest arguments only choose to see what they want to see. e.g. They refer to the most pessimistic of scientific evidence and completely ignore the positives so that their arguments are often very biased. They compare it to things that are so far from mutual human relations and consent (some person said it’s like ‘eating rotten meat’) as part of stirring up more impulsive feelings of disgust in others. And then there’s this need to bring in others to ‘support’ their views (with more biased ‘evidence’ and a whole bunch of generalizations), largely fueled by strong personal aversions to something that they themselves wouldn’t like to do. They try to make it seem like they’re doing a social service, but really they are trying to repress others the way they’ve been repressed so they don’t have to challenge their own worldview. I mean how intelligent can an intelligent argument against incest be if the people making it are choosing to completely ignore the fact that there are two sides to everything?

And lastly, if anyone can compare consensual incest to the queer experience without being “homophobic” it would be a queer person. Do people seriously think a proud queer person would actively go out of their way to undermine LBGT rights for any reason?

We care about gay rights as much as any other queer person or ally. We just choose not to be selfish while fighting for our rights.

Re-blog from thefinalmanifesto’s tumblr (about abuse vs consent)

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thefinalmanifesto:

I’ve noticed something recently. I have several followers who have been sexually abused by family members. It’s gotten me thinking, and there’s something I want to say:

Thank you.

I know that some of the positions I espouse, and the things I post, can be challenging to people coming from those…

These are the best kind of allies, the kinds that don’t generalize, and who look outside their immediate experience to acknowledge that every case is different, every situation is unique. We do need to make a distinction between consent and non-consensual acts. Otherwise we’re punishing a whole group of innocent people for the crimes of another.

Read his full post here: https://thefinalmanifesto.tumblr.com/post/86461366806/i-have-something-to-say